well yea skill, lol cc or non cc dont matter, i reseted to ohs fo spear at 50, but with cc gear i could tank mf at 47, anyway, so i dd'd with alotta diff tanks, and u pick things up wen u do that, blue was my mf 1st mf hero lol, then shink, i never really dd'd for tanki or vice but i talk to them regularly too, basically with the good stuff i seen and asked about, my build incorporates those good aggro holding skillz. but alotta strategy/timing plays in it too. ill eventully stop being lazee and post ss of my skill trees in here.